Friday, 10 October 2008

chuang tzu: ontology, epistemology and fish

Chuang Tzu and Hui Tzu were walking by a river. Chuang Tzu loooked into the water and saw some fish. He pointed at them and said

'Do you see the fish swimming? they really enjoy that'.

To me and you this might be the start of a pretty tedious conversation? But his friend was in no mood for idle chat.

'You are not a fish so how do you know what fish enjoy?' said Hui Tzu in what could be deemed as a provocative philosophical repost

'Hang on one minute mate...you are not me - so how can you know that I dont know what fish enjoy'said Chuang Tzu (sage-like Taoist guy that he was)

Hui Tzu wasnt going to give up easily
'No, you hang on one minute...I am certainly not you, I know that and therefore I do not know what you know....but... (here we go)....you are definitely not a fish - and that proves that you cannot know what a fish enjoys.'

Chaung Tzu thought for a moment and said ' whoooah! dont give me that me old mate. You originally asked me how I could know what it is that fish really enjoy...
therefore...you already knew I knew it when you asked the question'

I'm sure this conversation went on and on for many a kilometre.

These two guys must have been great fun to go out and have a beer with.

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